Ad-Farmer Freakout

Rem Nightfire: hello big T
Talarus Luan: Hiyas
GnuSense Shepherd: Timo, I understand that you are now on the list to advertise, how do you explain that it was not okay before and now it is?
Dytska Vieria: Hi Talarus!
Monbot Aeon: kool dragon avatar
Melodie Darwin: hi Talarus
Talarus Luan: /flex
Qie Niangao: Greetings, Talarus :)
GnuSense Shepherd: I think it shows what your intent was, eliminate competition first.
Monbot Aeon: im the magical lepericorn
Talarus Luan: Oh please
Chaos Mohr gets out the big bowl of popcorn, and is glad he spent extra to get the hat that holds a full 6 pack at once :P
GnuSense Shepherd: Either way I always comply with TOS as well as helped the community. your sarcasm does not faze me.
Dytska Vieria: Actually, Gnu, I too would like a license. Not to prevent you from getting one, but to advertise my stuff in a non-ad farm way
Talarus Luan: Well, that is going to be a question I want answered.
GnuSense Shepherd: exactly Dytska. My intention was not to be amidst this craziness.. I would appreciate that benefit of the doubt.
Talarus Luan: Whether licenses will be required for in-venue advertising networks, or if they apply SOLELY to parasitic external ones.
GnuSense Shepherd: Talurus, I am sure it willl be addressed soon enough.
GnuSense Shepherd: *Talarus
Talarus Luan: If both, then I will have no choice but to get one; I certainly have no desire to do any kind of roadside or external advertising
Dytska Vieria: I thought a good place for poster-board sized adds would be at the SLRR stations.
Monbot Aeon: aahhhhhhh
GnuSense Shepherd: You guys realize...that just as easy as the current advertiser can be replaced...so can the licensed advertiser.
Monbot Aeon: GET OF MY BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Talarus Luan: I would hope so
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: Howdy Folks....
Talarus Luan: Kinda pointless to license folks if you aren't gonna police them
GnuSense Shepherd: hi
greyhat Newman: hey
GnuSense Shepherd: no, I am not referring to trouble with the license, I am talking about competition.
Monbot Aeon: doe's anyone like my bears-)
Yohan Pintens: pass the popcorn Chaos
GnuSense Shepherd: competition that comes in and takes over your business.
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: anyone tested out that html viewer called Sloodle yet?
GnuSense Shepherd: competition that wants to open source YOUR programs
Talarus Luan: I am not worried about competition
Chaos Mohr: sure thing Yohan, I got a super size tub just for today ;)
Talarus Luan: Open Sourcing doesn't bother me in the slightest.
GnuSense Shepherd: each of you have different arguments.
Yohan Pintens: I was hoping someone would :)
Monbot Aeon: who likes my linden bears???:-)
Talarus Luan: People buy my products for my support.
Talarus Luan: and how they are put together.
Ewan Mureaux: i buy them cos i think your sexy
GnuSense Shepherd: ok please re=read what i typed.
GnuSense Shepherd: anyways. moving on.
Talarus Luan: If someone wants to take an Open Source script and make a competing product, more power to them
Timo Daehlie gave you Flag CCCP Hand.
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: thats what OPEN SOURCE is
GnuSense Shepherd: no i am talking about forcing you to make your scripts open source
Monbot Aeon: who likes my bears :-) :-) :-)
Talarus Luan: No one is going to force my scripts to become Open Source.
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: it wouldnt be called open source if it cant be modified
GnuSense Shepherd: thats what one of your friends here suggested.
Monbot Aeon: who likes my linden bears
Qie Niangao: Oh, no, that's not what I said, Gnu...
Talarus Luan: Well, all I have to say to that is: "Good luck with that!" :D
Monbot Aeon: who
Starrienight Baxton: i do
Monbot Aeon: who
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: SL is supposed to be OPEN SOURCE
Monbot Aeon: who
Monbot Aeon: who
Monbot Aeon: who
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: most of the stuff seems thats its not
Monbot Aeon: who
Monbot Aeon: who
Monbot Aeon: who
Starrienight Baxton: star
Monbot Aeon: who
Monbot Aeon: who
Monbot Aeon: who
Monbot Aeon: who
GnuSense Shepherd: ok someone earned a muting
Qie Niangao: I said that the licensed advertisers should use open source scripts... but on linden land, in linden prims
Monbot Aeon: jonooo
Monbot Aeon: no mute me
Monbot Aeon: nooooooooo
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: well it should be an offical open source thing LL makes
GnuSense Shepherd: i was under the impression you were saying that the code we use should be open sourced.
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: maybe by a RL ad company
Qie Niangao: not the current code, no.
GnuSense Shepherd: so let google in here over Gnusense?
GnuSense Shepherd: seriously?
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: why not
Starrienight Baxton: r u all waitin for linden help
Talarus Luan: No, he said that you should use readily-available and presently Open Sourced scripts
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: AdSense is nice
GnuSense Shepherd: be careful what you wish for.
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: and SL uses google for its new searches
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: when is the SL Chroome viewer coming?
Talarus Luan: Or at least ones vetted by LL to not violate any of the license terms, assuming licenses have restrictions on ad scripts
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: it should be a no mod screen that somehow u can sell ads onto it & get a %
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: like a networked & local ad viewer
Qie Niangao: I did say that, if they don't use open-source scripts, then LL should review the scripts (but that's because of something I saw happening with anohter script... not one of the TAG networks)
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: anyone play entropia universe?
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: 2 years ago they got offical ad screens onto the game by company called MAssive
Talarus Luan: No, I don't do fantasy casinos :P
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: kind of funny your a dragon you cant get any more fantasy then that
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: plus casinos are illegal on SL when I see those I report them
Talarus Luan: I don't have a problem with fantasy... I just don't play casinos, real or based in a fantasy/sci-fi world.
Talarus Luan: Entropia is nothing more than a glorified casino
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: then dont have a p[roblems with LEGAL games on SL
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: its not a casino
Talarus Luan: Yah, it is
Dytska Vieria: If anyone would like to copy the "Sit and Knit" stool, I made it free to copy - this is normally a L$4999 value, not a cost today!
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: no games on their to play slots
Qie Niangao: Greetings, Jack!
Jack Linden: hi folks>
Talarus Luan: Works JUST like one
Drongle McMahon: hello jack
Ancient Shriner: Greetings Jack
Rem Nightfire: hello jack just in time
Chaos Mohr: here'sss Jack, outta the pan into the fire ;)
Jack Linden: just wait for things to rez
GnuSense Shepherd: hi
Talarus Luan: Even to the global jackpot announcements when someone digs up / kills the monster for the uber-rare loot
Sindy Tsure: hiya all
Talarus Luan: Greetings
Qie Niangao: Sindy :)
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: I wanted to personally thank Jack for looking into my inventory loss issue & for having someone else look into that matter....
-= Imodaruma Glasses 001 =-: Too many HTTP requests too fast.
Jack Linden: thanks ThaBiGGDoGG
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: thank you for helping
Lias Leandros: looks like an adfarmer convention here
greyhat Newman: yes timos leader
greyhat Newman: hhahaha
Ewan Mureaux: stick on some willie nelson records
Sindy Tsure: oops.. sorry about the pin, 'dogg
Jack Linden: so i'm guessing there are lots of questions.. who'd like to go first?
Sindy Tsure: i would but i don't have a question
Yohan Pintens: Jack, did you figure out who the griefer was from last week?
Lias Leandros: my question is not about adfarming or licenses
Jack Linden: Yes Yohan, we did.
Qie Niangao: Which comes first, licenses or October 1 ?
Jack Linden: What do yu need to know Lias?
Talarus Luan: Will licenses be required for any in-world advertisement, or just roadside/external advertisement. IE, if I run an affiliate network, which only advertises INSIDE of venues, will I need to apply for a license?
Lias Leandros: I am asking about the blog announcement in August regarding zoning the mainland
Monbot Aeon: jack r u accual a linden
Jack Linden: Qie.. we'll finalise the details of how advertising will work well before 1st Oct
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: Jack's the man,....
Ancient Shriner: He's a Linden with an English accent!
Monbot Aeon: ifu r can i have your bear
Jack Linden: I'm hoping to blog before friday
Jack Linden: Monbot, yes, I'm afraid that I am!
Lias Leandros: I see that the adfarming blog post has taken precedence over moving forward with the mainland zoning
Rem Nightfire: will small plot extortion be addressed directly jack?
Lias Leandros: but has theur been a team put in place to start to make the zoning a reality?
Monbot Aeon: can i have your bear cause im a collector
Melodie Darwin gave you TAG towers.
Monbot Aeon: so please can i have your bear
Jack Linden: Lias, zoning is a key part of our plans for Q4. It's going to need some developer work though, to make it work properly.
Lias Leandros: yes
Jack Linden: And yes, we're building a team now around Mainland regeneration and zoning is part of that
Monbot Aeon: i have look
Lias Leandros: but what plan is in place?Governance team says that they are not teh team heading up teh effort
Jack Linden: Rem.. I expect that any issues that adversely impact on the resident experience on the Mainland will be dealt with in time.
Monbot Aeon: look at my bears!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rem Nightfire: thank you
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: will 16M lots still be permitted in the furture?
Ancient Shriner: Does that mean LL is fixing sim-crossings? Horay!
Tal Chernov: great i am tped into a couch again
Jack Linden: Monbot, i'll drop one to you after the meeting
Jack Linden: hehe Ancient.. I'm more referring to specific Mainland issues around land (but of course improving crossings is important too)
Monbot Aeon: so all i do is wait here and u give me 1
Lias Leandros: when does fourth quarter start?
Talarus Luan: Oct 1
Jack Linden: It wouldn't be the governance team Lias
Sindy Tsure: or come back in about 45 minutes, monbot
Jack Linden: Most land work is handled by the concierge team currently
ROBO Marx: jack I was told told I am allowed to sell items on my land by concierge.
ROBO Marx: does this still hold tru
Jack Linden: 1st Oct is the start of Q4
Lias Leandros: it seems you moved forward with a out-of-the-blue mainland zoning issue (adfarming) and back-burner the full mainland zoning issue
Monbot Aeon: please may you give it to me now because i cant be on much longer
Lias Leandros: well if mainland zoning becomes an issue on October 1st - shouldnt some planning go into it?
Lias Leandros: a committee formed or something?
Monbot Aeon: please
Monbot Aeon: please
Monbot Aeon: please
Ancient Shriner: boot Monbot
Dytska Vieria seconds it
Talarus Luan: Easier to just mute him :)
Sindy Tsure: i thought i was a bear fiend!
Jack Linden: Robo, it would depend on what specifically yoou are doing and whether it could be seen as advertising.
Monbot Aeon: all i want is the bear
ROBO Marx: Wel is evertything for sale considered an ad
ROBO Marx: No Lm
Ancient Shriner: looks like a loop-hole hunt to me . . .
ROBO Marx: no links
ROBO Marx: just buy item sell items
Cytherea Eagle: Jack, will donation centers for no profit orgs be allowed on my land?
ROBO Marx: looks like commerce
Jack Linden: Zoning won't suddenly start Lias, as you say there is a lot to do before that. And zoning initially will be for new land, not existing areas where it is hard to apply zoning where there hasn't been any before
Kalyrra Heart: lets define the rules then, instead of interpreting them in the field, jack
Monbot Aeon: i told u i gotta o now :-(
Jack Linden: In Q4 we'll be looking at areas that are especially bad, and working to dramatically improve them
ROBO Marx: yes to vague im all for rules its to hard to fix problems on the fly
Talarus Luan: Since my question seems to have been missed, I will ask again.
Talarus Luan: Will licenses be required for any in-world advertisement, or just roadside/external advertisement. IE, if I run an affiliate network, which only advertises INSIDE of venues, will I need to apply for a license?
Starrienight Baxton: u r rude he is talkin
Sindy Tsure: i would rather have the rules be less strictly defined so that people who are trying to exploit loopholes will still get smacked
Ancient Shriner: hard day to be a loop-hole, with all the hunters around!
Sarah Nerd: Crap, I missed a lot of info didn't I?
Jack Linden: Cytherea, again, it will depend on how it is done and the level of impact it has on the neighbouring residents. The key driver here is to improve the Mainland
GnuSense Shepherd: yes Sarah, we just wrapped up on how to get a license.
Ancient Shriner: and you can't have one . .
Cytherea Eagle: a small donation pot about 1 x 1
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: ok what about 3 empty prims on a land is that harassment? 1x1 boxes
Sarah Nerd: Someone notecard me when they get a chance
ROBO Marx: whatever AS the oldest adfarmer LOL
Sarah Nerd: lol, I see a lot of famous ad farmers showed for this one
Jack Linden: Talarus, it's unlikely we will worry about affiliate advertising, especially inside builds and where it doesn't badly affect the area
Talarus Luan puts Sarah in a notecard and gives it to Yohan for safekeeping. :P
Ancient Shriner: hmmm, 1 lot per sim in 200 sims . . oh sure, that makes me just as bad as you Robo
Talarus Luan: OK. That's all I needed to know concerning that issue, then. :)
Sarah Nerd: Ty Chaos
Sarah Nerd: ty guys
Jack Linden: If we see people trying to work around the rules, we will still consider that a violation.
Talarus Luan: A question asked by another person who had to leave: Some people are hiding their adtowers by turning them invisible rather than removing them. Is this OK?
Neptune Shelman: thankyou jack
Ancient Shriner: Bagged that Loop-Hole! Thanks Jack
ROBO Marx: Ok can i sell items or not
Jack Linden: we wil lwork very hard to be consistent and to give clear guidance about what is okay and what it not, but fundamentalyl if what yuo are doing is clearly badly impacting an area, we are likely to want that to stop
Talarus Luan: No, Robo, you can't use a loophole to skirt the rules.
Ancient Shriner: That would be us Tal, and we did that to immediately lower the impact, as a favor to LL, and we'll be removing the objects over the next couple weeks.
Jack Linden: excuse my typos, trying to type quickly on a laptop is painful
ROBO Marx: understood
Talarus Luan: I'm not complaining, Ancient; someone asked me to ask the question, and I said I would.
Sarah Nerd: Jack, your working to hard, sl is aging you
Sindy Tsure: he should get workmans comp
Jack Linden: I know Sarah, a month can be a long time inworld. :)
Talarus Luan: I can say I appreciate the gesture, in light of that intent. :)
Cytherea Eagle: I would like to put small donation pots about 1 x 1 with some flowers on my ad parcels. The scripting will be a url giver to the non-profit org website. Is this permitted?
ROBO Marx: Listen i dont want to start selling items and have the rules changed cant be a grey area
ROBO Marx: Size rest
Dytska Vieria: Jack, there has been much speculation about licenses, is there anything concrete you can elaborate on?
ROBO Marx: fine
ROBO Marx: but rules must be set so gteam and residence can conform
Neptune Shelman: the rules need to change
Yohan Pintens: lol @ you wanting to conform robo
Neptune Shelman: otherwise the likes of robo will cheat them
ROBO Marx: i always coform Yp
Jack Linden: Invisible is good I guess, as a way to reduce impact. Phantom would be good too. I suspect most people wil lrealise that the obvious things we will have a problem with, such as large cubes, floating, spinning, light sources and so on.. will form the basis of our rules
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: Last time I logged on the TOS hasnt chanmged dont u think the TOS needs changed before "RULES": become official?
Talarus Luan: I think the rules are pretty clear, Robo. The question is if you are really seriously trying to follow them or are looking for (yet another) dodge.
Ancient Shriner: It's the spirit that's important, the letter will never cover every loophole, it will be LL descretion as it always has been.
Talarus Luan: Yup
ROBO Marx: ok so whats the smallest size plot to sell and item u can see on
ROBO Marx: kinda hard to sell something people cant see at all
ROBO Marx: if there is size rest what is it
ROBO Marx: 2m 3m
Cytherea Eagle: I agree, I would like to see specific rules to avoid more cry babies and loop holes
Lias Leandros: well not entirely LL's descretion - RL Laws do creep in and force LL to change at times
Talarus Luan: Why not just make a real store on a real plot and avoid the ambiguity and the potentiality of getting ganked for it?
Tal Chernov: hehe i love these meetings yall are nuts
Jack Linden: I think 'the spirit' is a good way to see it. If people work hard with us to make advertising blend in, low impact and that isn't covering hundreds of regions, then that helps a lot
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: yes but the TOs needs updated not everyone READS the blog website
Ancient Shriner: Good point Lias . . thinks like liability and good faith for example
ROBO Marx: cause multiple stores + less tier more sales economics my friend=+)
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: I head of wal mart before
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: they build anywhere they can
Ciaran Laval: Wow invasion of the ad farmers ;)
Talarus Luan: Walmart doesn't sell on microparcels
Jack Linden: if we see advertisers who are clearly flipping the land a lot, then that doesn't look like advertising to us and we would look more closely at that
Timo Daehlie: more wasted land is less residents is less sales Robo
ROBO Marx: Anyone hear a mind reader
Tal Chernov: yup Ciaran
Jack Linden: we've had too many cases of land extortion
Talarus Luan: Yus
Ancient Shriner: Yes, Jack, follow the money!
Jack Linden: hehe
Cytherea Eagle: I would like to put small donation pots about 1 x 1 with some flowers on my ad parcels. The scripting will be a url giver to the non-profit org website. Is this permitted?
ROBO Marx: well its obvious no more new cut so i will open stores on 512 in new land
Sarah Nerd: Yes make it as clear as possible so they can do there best to find a way to extort the situation
Talarus Luan: Which leads to my next question about licensees, Jack. Will you be supplying land/terminals, or will you just be saying "operate on your own land with your own stuff under these guidelines"?
ROBO Marx: is a plot at 300 per sqm in bay city land extortion?
ROBO Marx: plenty of those for sale!
Ancient Shriner: Just for the Record . . . number of ad lots I have sold over the past three years . . . zero!
Ancient Shriner: Number I've swapped = too many to count.
Rem Nightfire: you know very well what extortion is robo you are a master of it
Neptune Shelman: well you should get a prize then
ROBO Marx: no im nott sure of what ur talking about 300 per bacity ok
Jack Linden: I expect there will always be some people who wil ltake any guidance we give and try to go around it. But whereas before we might have stayed with enforcing the guidelines, increasingly if we decide that something is just clearly unacceptable then as estate manager we will act
ROBO Marx: notin ur city
Ancient Shriner: A License! Thanks very much Neptune!
Talarus Luan: Awesome. :)
Talarus Luan: Just like a real Estate Manager. :)
Neptune Shelman: if you fair then you should
ROBO Marx: anyway whats the restrictions on items for sale to many grey areas and unanswered ? here is the problem as well as leadership issues
Ancient Shriner: I pride myself on it Neptune . . .
Jack Linden: Talarus, the latter i expect. we might provide some low impact acceptable hoardings for people to use, so they *know* they will be acceptable
Neptune Shelman: :-)
Jack Linden: the DPW teams can help there
Kalyrra Heart: Jack wouldnt it be easier just to clearly define the rules so everyone knows what they are allowed to do ? I think it would be.
Sarah Nerd: Thia is awesome. It's so cool seeing this mess finally coming to an end
Talarus Luan: So basically, the adfarms in my region go down, then when the people who own them get a license, they go right back up again. Great.
Talarus Luan: :-/
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: Jack never dsaid that
Ancient Shriner: I don't see the confusion . . No using of Microplots for boosting your revenue
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: he said their working on the situation now as for rules
GnuSense Shepherd: Its not ending Sarah, you said so yourself, applying for a license.
Sarah Nerd: He said they would be regulated now
Ciaran Laval: Can't you put the new licensed areas on new sims first
Talarus Luan: Yah, he just did.
Ewan Mureaux: Jack will advertising have to be on the parcel or will gaming land search to place a stack of ads in there with micro parsels be seen to be against the spirit of the new friendly squishy mainland?
Neptune Shelman: who cares about adverts if they are a sensible size
Ancient Shriner: Yes, regulated . . .
Kalyrra Heart: you better get rid of yours then Ancient
Sarah Nerd: Yea I will, I am very interested in seeing how this process will work
Neptune Shelman: and the owners are being rerasonable
Ancient Shriner: they are already gone Kalyrra
Lias Leandros: advertising on the maionland will have a new definition. Squares on a 16M plot will not fit the new definition
Talarus Luan: Because some of them are HOLES in other people's parcels
Qie Niangao: Wait... will there be a limit on the number of ads per region, or not?
GnuSense Shepherd: I want to see Licensed Real Estate agents next lol
Ancient Shriner: well . . Tal, to be fair, I've had plots for years, and they didn't start as holes
Neptune Shelman: I am more worried about extortion
Jack Linden: Kalyrra, to some degree I agree and we will. There were some good comments about licensing in the forums and via email, so the other option open to us is to consider ad farming etc as a ToS issue, but the net result is the same, ad farming will not be allowed and advertisers would have to adhere to very specific rules or risk being removed
Neptune Shelman: small plots just to be a nuisance
Talarus Luan: Doesn't matter, Ancient.
Ancient Shriner: I've swapped plenty to peoples 'edges'
ROBO Marx: oh please enough pr as
Kalyrra Heart: Thanks Jack
Jack Linden: Ewan, using land sales in that way woould still negatively impact and so we'd still treat that as bad
Ancient Shriner: it's the truth, not PR
Ewan Mureaux: thats re-assuring
Talarus Luan: In that case, I would also like to see a way for the residents of a region "opt out" of having to see "licensed" adspam.
Cytherea Eagle: When will these rules and regulation be clearly defined and when will the license start to be issued
Ancient Shriner: that ties into zoning methings Tal
Ancient Shriner: many zones will have zero ads . . .
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: I would like to see a RL ad company come to SL so that everyone makes a profit from it
Ancient Shriner: working on exactly that Dogg
Qie Niangao: I hope the *existing* mainland zone is one with zero ads, then
Jack Linden: Cytherea, I am hoping to blog again, with forum feedback again (it's been incrtedibly useful to me to get that feedback), before friday
Ancient Shriner: can you tell us about that Jack?
Ancient Shriner: new lands vs. old lands?
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: with OFFICAL screens people place out & can make % of the sales of new ads placed on them
Cytherea Eagle: I would like to put small donation pots about 1 x 1 with some flowers on my ad parcels. The scripting will be a url giver to the non-profit org website. Is this permitted?
Jack Linden: We can't move ahead on mainland alone, we need residents to come with us and to have a part to play in decision making
Timo Daehlie: Jack as a represntative member of the Arbor Project i can offer you our coorporation while restoring the mainland. We currently own about 40.000m2 of small plots, expecting a boost in the 3rd week of september, which we love to be see rejoined with reclaimed ad-land. Any suggestion how to arrange this properly ?
Jack Linden: So that forum side has been invaluable
ROBO Marx: so whats the smallest size plot u can open full rights shop on?
Ancient Shriner: yes, that's coming from us within the next month . . we've been working on it for almost a year . . it's called TAG Affiliate . . ok Robo, that was a shameless plug!
Talarus Luan: You mean without the 50+ pages of potshots and namecalling? :P
Sindy Tsure: How do you see that working, Jack? Residents coming to LL and being a part of the process...
Jack Linden: Ancient.. new land that is zoned might for example be 'residential' with no overt advertising allowed, or it might be 'commerical' where we allow more obvious promotion
Jack Linden: The key thing is that people have a choice before they buy land
Jack Linden: \About the kind of experience they want
Ancient Shriner: Ok, that's a good way to go
Talarus Luan: Or simply "No Ads Here"
Ancient Shriner: getting the initial feel for what an old sim is might be time consuming . . .
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: no matter what you always see an ad somewhere thats how things are paid for. any website you go to mroe then lilely u will see an ad on it
Neptune Shelman: That sounds reasonable
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: when an ad comes on TV you can look at it or flip the channel
Talarus Luan: Yes, but website ads are voluntary by the websites that host them. That's not how it works in SL
Ancient Shriner: you are right Dogg, Radio, TV, and early internet all fueled by Ads
Jack Linden: Timo: that's great. One option we may look at s whether for certain circumstances we 'buy back' land if we need to repair it
Sarah Nerd: Theres a huge difference between a website and a sim that people consider there virtual home
Drongle McMahon: No if you npay a subscription ThabiGG
Timo Daehlie: we dont sell ;)
Timo Daehlie: we give ..
Ewan Mureaux: will there be a move to look at resource abuse so that temp rezzers holding 30 objects on a 16m parcel when that is the only parcel the owner has in that sim?
Talarus Luan: The analogy would be someone forcibly putting ads on your website without your permission.
Ancient Shriner: That's called google AdSense Tal ;-)
Talarus Luan: No it's not
Ancient Shriner: I was winking
Jack Linden: Sindy: as we make big decisions and as we debate direction, we will specifically come to the community and ask for feedback as early as we can
Talarus Luan: That's called computer fraud
Ancient Shriner: it was a joke . .
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: i have adsense i signed up for it i placed the ads on my site
Sindy Tsure: so forums and blogs and such.. ok.. ty
Tal Chernov: websites u can block ads with a popup blocker or just scroll past em cant do that with ads that appear around ur home or blocking the view of a once beautiful scenery
Talarus Luan: Yes, but you didn't put them on MY site. That's the point.
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: u can just fly past ADS on SL too
Jack Linden: And be open about changing our mind if feedback warrants it (and it makes business sense of course)
ROBO Marx: can i sell items on 32 if they are 2m by 2m Jack?
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: no one really forced you to sit there & stare at it
Qie Niangao: ancient: it's an irony-free zone today, I think. ;)
Jack Linden: wow lots of text, i'm missing some questions i expect, so sorry aboout that
ROBO Marx: no float glow spins
Ancient Shriner: Yah Qie, winks included!
Cytherea Eagle: Jack,I would like to put small donation pots about 1 x 1 with some flowers on my ad parcels. The scripting will be a url giver to the non-profit org website. Is this permitted?
Squirrel Wood: dogg, the client still will try to load the textures and cause unneccessary traffic. :p
Timo Daehlie: why not place portable toilets on your small plots robo ? ask people L$ 1 fee
Tal Chernov: all that money u make from extortion robo you should be able to buy urself a sim and oput out all the ads u want
Talarus Luan: Hehe
Cytherea Eagle: you will be the first to use one Timo
Talarus Luan: L$5 per flush :P
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: I saw toilet campers before
Kalyrra Heart: lol
Jack Linden: Robo.. get them as low impact and as blended into the surroundings as you can, that would be the best start. We can come take a look and review it with you too
Timo Daehlie: if you are hiding there yes i will miss particle ;)
Sarah Nerd: He said he's going to blog in before Oct 1st, then you can see if your thoughts on how to work around it will work.
Jack Linden: But let me get the blog posts out first
Chaos Mohr: Jack, just a suggestion for the next few meetings, perhaps you could have another concierge team member assist by taking questions by IM for you so you could answer them one at a time :)
Ewan Mureaux: will there be a move to look at resource abuse so that temp rezzers holding 30 objects on a 16m parcel when that is the only parcel the owner has in that sim can be removed?
Jack Linden: Chaos, for someone with a name like yours, that is a very good idea
Jack Linden: :)
ROBO Marx: what s low impact??
Sindy Tsure: town hall!
Dytska Vieria: Maggie would be good for that, Ewan
ROBO Marx: color size
ROBO Marx: shape
Sarah Nerd: But then we wouldn't have the lulz of an open conversation
Sindy Tsure: robo, you're not going to get any sales off tiny parcels.. everybody knows this
Tal Chernov: low impact would be no ads or crap deemed ugly?
ROBO Marx: already have
Sindy Tsure: unless you're selling the land itself
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: people with hotdog stands on city cornders get lots of sales
ROBO Marx: ok every shop shouldnt be allowed then
Ancient Shriner: well, if they are good hotdogs . . .
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: they have a small area but in RL sell lots of hotdogs
ROBO Marx: if not what is the min siz for a shop
Jack Linden: Robo.. if the area is residential and you place a bright neon globe, that's almost certainly not low impact. If it's a small wooden static sign that is nice looking, that would be much better
Yohan Pintens: is there such a thing as a "bad" hotdog?
Sindy Tsure: yes but i can't fly or tp in rl.. it's not a fair comparison
ROBO Marx: i dont do that
Sarah Nerd: What he is asking is if I set an item in it for sale, can I pass of an ad that way.
Neptune Shelman: people do buy things from small parcels
Tal Chernov: bad hotdogs are those that been on the rollers at circle k for 3 months
ROBO Marx: what constitutes nice looking everyone complains about everthing here
Tal Chernov: well for one thing ur stuff isnt nice looking
ROBO Marx: if i dont like ur house can i ar it?
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: some people might consider a TREE bad looking
Chaos Mohr: having a small parcel to sell something on is one thing, cutting 20 or more small plots in a sim to sell things on is another entirely
Drongle McMahon: Bacteria burgers. Botulism in a bun.
Jack Linden: Part of the 'being estate manager' mantra I've been using is about that Sarah. Making something 'for sale' isn't stopping it clearly having a poor effect on residents nearby, so we'd still want to clean it up
Sarah Nerd: your giany arrows and huge signs are no where near profesional looking
ROBO Marx: i hate pin oaks alot of leaves
Qie Niangao: Seems to me the rule is pretty simple: go conspicuously out of your way not to trash the neighborhood. Pretend Desmond Shang ran the Mainland, and try not to piss him off.
Ancient Shriner: LOL
Talarus Luan: I guess the next question would be: Regarding people who are using microplots to hold larger plotholders's builds hostage, or are using extortion tactics, will they be dealt with after Oct 1?
ROBO Marx: 300 per sq is allowed in bay city
Jack Linden: there will be hundreds of edge cases, but we shouldn't allow that to slow us down. As we come across them we will make consistent decisions and improve the written guidelines to be as clear as we can. But there will always be grey areas
ROBO Marx: totally discimator poliocies and vague rulings are the problem'
Tal Chernov: maybe in your mind thats ok robo
ROBO Marx: it is or it isnt
Sarah Nerd: Honestly if you guys had made nice classy signs and didn't try taking advantage of the community in the first place, you wouldnt all be here today worried about trying to save your ass
Rem Nightfire: nope
Talarus Luan: Well, you're going to find out, Robo. That's the only thing that is for sure at this point. :)
Ancient Shriner: I think it's clear Robo . . if you are selling the land, you could be an extorionist . . .if you are not selling the land, it has to be low impact . . .
Dytska Vieria: ...and making ban lines.
Rem Nightfire: just the vague thing about the quality of resisdent experience
Filbert Holmer: Ah Robo, 300/sqm is about avarage in Bay city.
Yohan Pintens: Robo: thats easy to decide for you, ask yourself "is this something I should be doing?" If you answer "yes" then its probably not
Tal Chernov: like selling a 16m2 for 3999L
Jack Linden: we'll almost certainly rule that ban lines on small ad parcels are unacceptable.
ROBO Marx: well case by case i shouldnt be disciplined if u dont have a rule in place
Neptune Shelman: Jack are you going to stop land extortion?
ROBO Marx: ok
Talarus Luan: Ooo Self-Reverse-Psychology. Nice one, Yohan! :D
ROBO Marx: is commerce dead in SL jack
Cytherea Eagle: I would like to put small donation pots about 1 x 1 with some flowers on my ad parcels. The scripting will be a url giver to the non-profit org website. Is this permitted?
Neptune Shelman: 3999L is far less than some charge have seen 9999L
Ancient Shriner: Anarcho-Capitalism is mostly dead Robo
ROBO Marx: people have been cutting this plots to sell stuff since the beggining cause sl allowed it
ROBO Marx: not us
Jack Linden: neptune: wherever we can, yes
Tal Chernov: nice ask the same question again and again Cytheria
Neptune Shelman: for land that is just in the centre of a plot
Drongle McMahon: I think ROBO is going to be a useful probe to find the edges of acceotability.
Cytherea Eagle: I ask Jack not you
Tal Chernov: lol
Talarus Luan: Well, Cytherea, same answer to Robo: Do it and find out. :)
Joshua Philgarlic: LOL
Sarah Nerd: He's not going to give you an answer before everyone else Cyth. You'll see the new rules at the same time as everyone else and then you will see if you can work around it.
Rem Nightfire: that is a great start jack to deal with using small plots for extortion and harassment
ROBO Marx: hey all the lindens here raise ur hand LOL
Tal Chernov: open chat questionand u didnt specify a name
Talarus Luan: Become a test case for your specific form of dodge. :D
Neptune Shelman: Thankyou Jack
Jack Linden: Cytherea, that sounds low impact. so we should take a look and make a call
ROBO Marx: The lack of leadership and guidlines have been the problem here in Sl.
Neptune Shelman: when can we start to AR plot extortion examples
Ewan Mureaux: I think if you are to work for charitable organisations anywhere it is up to you to show that the donations are recieved by the charity and their registration number. thats not sl speciffic, just my feeling on chariteis and doing good deeds
Cytherea Eagle: Jack, would you like me to set one up and dro you a LM for approval?
Tal Chernov: can we count lindens abusing power in that regaurd robo
Yohan Pintens: Robo, if you have any questions as to whats right or wrong, just ask Talarus to make the call for you
Kalyrra Heart: Agreed, new rules every day it seems, each Linden making their own.
Ancient Shriner: There wasn't supposed to be any leadership ROBO, our world, our imagination . . just turns out some folks imaginations ran amok
Talarus Luan: :D
Cytherea Eagle: No the donation is made directly to the non profits website
Neptune Shelman: 1st October?
Talarus Luan: "It's the only way to be sure!" :D
Jack Linden: Robo, we've had a very hands -off culture previously, but that is changing. The mainland is *our* estate, it needs to reflect the best that Second Life can be. So we will do whetever is necessary to make that a reality
Cytherea Eagle: we would not touch the money
ROBO Marx: and handfull of crybabies
Sarah Nerd: Had you not of taken advantage of the community and made the mainland total shit, this would have never happened
Sindy Tsure: mostly we're giggling, robo..
Qie Niangao looks around at who's crying now
Talarus Luan: ..said the burglar to the burgled.
ROBO Marx: well the sl platform is based on its econmy
Sindy Tsure: and clapping
Sarah Nerd: so thank yourselfs rather than being angry at the Lindens
Squirrel Wood: make sure the url giver works on touch ^^ people dislike having notecards and other stuff shoved in their faces as they walk past builds
Rem Nightfire: you make me yawn robo
ROBO Marx: which is being trashed in other ways
Jack Linden: Cytherea, wait until we've posted again, that should help yoou decide. Then we can come and talk to you about it
ROBO Marx: this aint no world of warcraft here
Cytherea Eagle: please Sarah, eat a twinkie and keep the cussing to yourself
Tal Chernov: i just mute random nc and lm givers
ROBO Marx: there is no other rason to choose sl over other vw except land and econmy
Sarah Nerd: Whatever you manipulative cunt, and I mean that in the nicest possible way
Sindy Tsure: so you're moving to wow, robo?
ROBO Marx: maybe thats a problem ll should be focused on
Talarus Luan: He'd fit right in. :D
Ciaran Laval: I don't see what the difficulty is here, you all know what a pain in the arse ad plot is
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: lol
Cytherea Eagle: Jack, is this okay for people to call names in these meetings
Squirrel Wood: the ad density in SL is unmatched in RL
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: is it ok to go to WoW & give them your SLURL for SL
Joshua Philgarlic: Your business is just a very small part of SL's economy, Robo. Nobody will miss it.
Sarah Nerd: It's a mature sim
Neptune Shelman: You asked for it clamidia
ROBO Marx: Im offended the c word is not neede and should be major AR violation
Ciaran Laval: There's no need for all this "Can I do this" nonsense
GnuSense Shepherd: back to business please folks
Dytska Vieria: pass the corn nuts please
Sarah Nerd: And we all know what you are so I wont say anything else
Jack Linden: lets please keep this civil. office hours don't work if they break down into a huge argument
ROBO Marx: Lets see what lindens do about that
rm Sirbu: hi to everyone
Ancient Shriner: I find Sara's speaking to be an affront
Cytherea Eagle: I wont stoop
GnuSense Shepherd: hi Rm
ROBO Marx: If it is not dealt with
Jack Linden: i'd hope we're all vaguely on the same side in wanting SL to be the best it can
Jack Linden: :)
Kalyrra Heart: Yes can we have sarah tossed out please
Cytherea Eagle: did you get upset cause you are really thinking about a twinkie?
Ancient Shriner: Yes Jack, TAG is with you on this 100%
Sarah Nerd: A drop of a penny comapired to what you have done to the mainland
Sindy Tsure is prepared to stoop if things get too civil, jack
ROBO Marx: yeah well theres 2 sides and ones getting the shaft as much as we bendover
Neptune Shelman: Some of us are Jack
GnuSense Shepherd: absolutely Jack, We all want to be what SL can be.
greyhat Newman: actualy sharah should apolgisze for that
Cytherea Eagle: I agree
ROBO Marx: we have alot invested in platform ll created tools they use
Sarah Nerd: I will do no such thing.
Yohan Pintens: I don't think Sarah is sorry for saying it
Talarus Luan: Well, Jack, some folks are on their own side in wanting SL to be the best it can, in terms of lining their pockets at others' expense. :-/
Cytherea Eagle: I twinkie eater is not like saying someone is a cunt
ROBO Marx: i wouldnt have all the cuts if ll didnt allow land cutting
GnuSense Shepherd: Jack, its just rumor, but you will be considering advertisers of today for a license in October, correct?
ROBO Marx: stop it thats fine and understandable
Sarah Nerd: I don't eat twinkies, but I'll take a cupcake
Cytherea Eagle: I am highly offended Jack, Sarah should be a tosser
Ciaran Laval: The other side has been getting the shaft for way too long, this is absurd, you know what you've done, you know the damage you've caused and still you're looking for ways around it. Just stop it and apply for licenses and do things right, it's not such a difficult concept
Cytherea Eagle: I mean tossed
ROBO Marx: put older plots should be allowed per previuos policy
Ewan Mureaux: but if the majority agrees then we have concensus
Tal Chernov: i dont advertise but i want one anyway hehe
Sarah Nerd: Well why not go back to the conversation and stp worring about me
Neptune Shelman: just because they didn't think someone would be a tw*t
ROBO Marx: she wont be tossed ce
ROBO Marx: another example of biased SL
Sarah Nerd: She made the twinky comment first
Chaos Mohr: obviously emotions on this issue are heartfelt on all sides, the best thing to as Jack said is to work towards making SL better
Neptune Shelman: isn't an excuse for you to be one
Sarah Nerd: I demand she be tossed!
ROBO Marx: one rule for 1 not for another
Cytherea Eagle: wewahicca
Jack Linden: GnuSense.. we'll consider those that are interested and that aren't currently engaged in bad advertising
Lias Leandros: Jack I just wanted to clarify: The Concierge Team would probably be teh team that would move forward with the mainland zoning plan starting in October of this year, is that correct?
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez hopes a new TOS comes so everyone knows the "RULES" to what needs to be followed
Ancient Shriner: Ok, Deep Breaths!
Ciaran Laval: LOL!
Sarah Nerd: Sorry Jack
Ciaran Laval: Nice one Jack
Sindy Tsure: quiet you
Ciaran Laval: Three times!!!!
GnuSense Shepherd: Thank you, we appreciate that consideration.
Ancient Shriner: Yes, Hear Hear!
Jack Linden: applying whilst still having hundreds of spinning ads out there would seem unreasonable to me. :)
ROBO Marx: ciutting virtual server space for ads is bad using c word in public is ok real nice talkt our kids that way sarah
ROBO Marx: u ought to be ashamed
GnuSense Shepherd: Jack, I hope you know that my billboards have never spun.
Ancient Shriner: Nor mine . .
Ancient Shriner: ever
Cytherea Eagle: ditto
Kara Spengler: [lol]
Ewan Mureaux: there is no such thing as bad language
Sarah Nerd: they were unsightly cubes that went high as hell
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: what about people who place spinning land forsale signs? is that not allowed
Neptune Shelman: your ads seem ok to me GNUsense
Talarus Luan: As if that was the ONLY bad consideration. :-/
Tal Chernov randomly humps someones leg
Jack Linden: Lias, there will be a specific Mainland team that will begin to work exclusively on this area, that team will be 'born' before end of September and we will recruit into it
Ciaran Laval: Well they might not have spun but there's some serious spin going on here
Neptune Shelman: one of my shops is next to one
Sarah Nerd: I'm with you on the rotating for sale signs too
Neptune Shelman: it looks ok
Sarah Nerd: they suck
Ancient Shriner: Spin is In Ciaran, didn't you know?
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: thats an AD for the land sale
GnuSense Shepherd: thanks Neptune.
ROBO Marx: can we sell stuff on 256sqm plots now?
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: just a different type of ad
Sindy Tsure: picked a name for the new team, jack? the mteam, maybe?
GnuSense Shepherd: I want to make them smaller...it was difficult in a sea of ads.
Jack Linden: ThaBIGG.. Land signs would also be something that would be 'advertising'
ROBO Marx: yes
ROBO Marx: no
ROBO Marx: maybe
Talarus Luan: The A-Team
Neptune Shelman: that would be even better
ROBO Marx: make a decision
Tal Chernov: the mad hatters
Ancient Shriner: Agree with Gnu . . .
Ewan Mureaux: Arbor Patrol go Linden
Talarus Luan: They really need a B.A.Baracus on it
Jack Linden: We've seen a lot of tall For Sale signs looming over parcels, and that isn't acceptable either
Talarus Luan: Good
Ancient Shriner: Good!
Sindy Tsure: any thoughts on selling land with holes?
Tal Chernov: people will do as they pleae no matter what others tell them otherwise
ROBO Marx: even on a 4096????
ROBO Marx: wow
Dytska Vieria: What about craters in land - specifically, small parcels deliverly sunk or raised and priced very high?
Neptune Shelman: good don't like big for sale blocks
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: Govenor Linden buys all lands not matter what they look like
Tal Chernov: flaw of human nature
ROBO Marx: communism is here my friends ur world our $$$
Yohan Pintens: Vote with your wallet then Robo
Jack Linden: The doughnut exploit, is something that we want to stop. The worst examples that I've seen would defintiely be considered a ToS issue
Tal Chernov: no their world their dollars
Dytska Vieria: That is good :)
Talarus Luan: Good deal
Yohan Pintens: Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya
Neptune Shelman: What about craters in land - specifically, small parcels deliverly sunk or raised and priced very high?
Ciaran Laval: Oh please! Communism all land would be priced the same for a start
Joshua Philgarlic: Bravo!
Neptune Shelman: is that donut
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: ok no more donuts on the grid unless your at a coffee shop
Talarus Luan: Hopefully existing donut holes will go the way of the dodo too
Tal Chernov: u sure the lord split em and it wasnt a bad alien experiement
Sindy Tsure hears 'communism'.. now i just need 'class action' and 'open letter' to get a bingo!
Ciaran Laval: Quiet you
Dytska Vieria: Triafact?
Tal Chernov: must question any god that puts a recreational facility next to a waste processing plant
Ancient Shriner: Jack, you can make a formula that would require certain % of land, if a donut-hole, would need to be swapped for the larger property edge-land.
Jack Linden: neptune: sometimes parcels are just badly shaped, and that is fine. the point here is about intent, if you're chopping land in ways that allow you to mislead buyers then that is bad.
Qie Niangao: right: there has to be a way to sell a parcel that still has an extortion plot stuck in the middle... with proper warning somehow.
Jack Linden: If it's just a messed up parcel, and you're selling it honestly then that's okay
Neptune Shelman: but the price is my point
Rem Nightfire: excellent jack doing these things will really restore the mainland
Ancient Shriner: well, if they made land ownership go off in the UI during purchases, that would help
Neptune Shelman: some are crazy
Sindy Tsure: so disclosure in the parcel description would be acceptable..
Tal Chernov: how about those that buy the parcels only to slice em up
Jack Linden: Thanks Rem.
Talarus Luan: Yeah, I would hate to get ARed for trying to sell off a donut because of a recalcitrant extortionist.
Sarah Nerd: Yea I'm really excited about these new changes
Ancient Shriner: like when the open to buy window pops up, it automatically turns on the land ownership and alpha's all the objects . . .
ROBO Marx: thats comming CL
ROBO Marx: baby steps
Ewan Mureaux: 10 points for recalcitrant
Sindy Tsure: :P Ciaran
Lias Leandros: everyone with mainland should apply for the advertising license to water down the adfarmer's business. We can give free advertising.
Talarus Luan: Meh
Ancient Shriner: Sure Lias, host those severs and run a loss, go for it
Qie Niangao: Jack, ROM, how many licenses? 10, 20, 100?
Ancient Shriner: servers even . . .
GnuSense Shepherd: Is there a stepbox system to take care of the complaints? A volunteer crew that can decipher clear cases of TOS violations regarding unlicensed advertising and blatant extortion attempts?
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez wants offical ad screens provided by LL so that every person has the opprunity to make money off of ADS on SL
Drongle McMahon: Will the licenses cost money Jack?
Tal Chernov: i hear alot of talk at these meetings yet not much action all i see are still ugly landscapes, hard to find those places that are untouched by lagfarmers
Talarus Luan: Could subsidize it with other business ventures, though... hmmm.
Ciaran Laval: Loss leader Ancient Shriner, that can work
ROBO Marx: EM no bad language no bad biz if u follow tos already in place
Ancient Shriner: Ads are only worthwhile if you can report the results to the advertiser . . .
Ancient Shriner: if you have no way to judge ROI, then it's not advertising
Ewan Mureaux: does shakespeare make word plays on cunt? yes does he sel a shit load of books? yes so eh business and language maybe they are linked
Ancient Shriner: it's something else, and I don't know what . . .
Ciaran Laval: If you're selling ad space yes
Ciaran Laval: If you're just advertising something you don't need to do that
Sarah Nerd: the who clicked to see who has destroyed our sim stats?
Yohan Pintens: the viewership in SL isn't even as large as a small town, hardly compelling to anyone with an ad budget and some facts.
Dytska Vieria thinks a license should cost as much as an island
Ancient Shriner: yes, we get 150K to 200K unique impressions Yohan, and that is appealing to advertisers
Tal Chernov: good point Dytska
Ancient Shriner: they are just afraid of all the anti-s
Ancient Shriner: boycotts and whatnot
Talarus Luan: The should be
Talarus Luan: I would be
Ciaran Laval: Justifiably so
Talarus Luan: *THey
Neptune Shelman: having an advertising network is little use without being able to sell adspace don't you think
Timo Daehlie: better to have 200k residents
Dytska Vieria: and also there should be a monthly recurring cost, or anual, just like tier
Yohan Pintens: its nice that they don't want to piss off the community
Ancient Shriner: they are lined up waiting Neptune . .
Cytherea Eagle: Jack, are we allowed to sell twinkies on our land?
Cytherea Eagle: I will make a fortune off Sarah
Timo Daehlie: residents too .. to return ..
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: lol
Ancient Shriner: waiting for the riff to be separated from the raff . . .
Sarah Nerd: So in order to make money, place the ad next to an area where there is high traffic so it appears to the advertiser paying you that its working
Kalyrra Heart: lol
Ancient Shriner: then click though would be low Sarah
ROBO Marx: more costs great DV
Ancient Shriner: take some online advertising 101 courses and get back to us
ROBO Marx: u got to city hall and tell em to raise ur taxes
Sarah Nerd: Told ya bitch, I eat cupcakes not twinkies
Ewan Mureaux: i would rather an emphasis on trust and conditions than on money
Talarus Luan: Gads.. Click-through is so.... pre-bubble
Cytherea Eagle: wow, so many ARs to file in one meeting
ROBO Marx: how bout 2.99 per month for verified noobs to get there own 512
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: im gonna sell weiners ona 16M lot hope u will enjoy my weiner
Sindy Tsure: i think we broke jack.. he's awful quiet
Sarah Nerd: File away
Neptune Shelman: you have to have results for your advertiser
Ancient Shriner: well, only 15 years of research show that it works . . .
Sarah Nerd: I'm only responding to you
Chaos Mohr: Sarah, I am not a bitch, I am a bastard :P
Jack Linden: what is a twinkie?
Ancient Shriner: Google was built on Click-through
ROBO Marx: Cut the estate biz right out and build registered users instead of a bubch of alts
Sarah Nerd: I love you Chaos
Cytherea Eagle: ask Sarah
ROBO Marx: im all for mor enew users
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: Jack is googling TWINKEY
Jack Linden: (sorry, IM storm hit me)
Talarus Luan: Actually, most VALID research on the subject decried the "click-through" metric model 8 years ago
Sindy Tsure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: LMFAO
Cytherea Eagle: lol
Sarah Nerd: Yea I'm fat, cats out of the bag now. ohhhhhhhhhh
ROBO Marx: No one likes that
Ancient Shriner: well, not the conferences I go to Tal . . .
Talarus Luan: I am not surprised, Ancient.
ROBO Marx: I think its great more noobs build the economy as a whole
Cytherea Eagle: thats why you are so bitter
Ancient Shriner: E-Metrics summit is coming in Alexadria VA, come on down and hear the gurus
Cytherea Eagle: and full of cuss words
Ciaran Laval: Click through isn't quite as important here though is it, I see a sign and I go search for it.
Talarus Luan: Lots of wannabee advertisers eat their own dog food.
Jack Linden: man, do people eat those?
Ancient Shriner: well, DoubleCLick and Google aren't what I would call Wannabee
Sindy Tsure: sure.. they've got a shelf-life of like 1000 years..
Cytherea Eagle: Jack, woth my donation pots, can I set up and example and drop you an LM for approval?
Jack Linden shudders
Sarah Nerd: Yes I should take out my agression by screwing over the community.
Sindy Tsure: so, obviously, they make you live longer
GnuSense Shepherd: try a fried twinkie...mmmmmmmmmm
ROBO Marx: if no one saw the signs why does every1 complain
Ancient Shriner: lol
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: / lets take a donation to ship jack a box of twinkeys
Ancient Shriner: good one Robo!
ROBO Marx: obviously they sell
Neptune Shelman: no it because you are a nasty c*nt cyntherai
Kara Spengler: oh, they are not a foodstuff jack, like peeps :)
Jack Linden: Cytherea, we can do that but please wait until after the next blog post
Cytherea Eagle: Okay Jack, ty
Ewan Mureaux: neptune i a have a spare "u" you can borroe
ROBO Marx: Listen foul langueage just shows lack of wit
Ewan Mureaux: +w
Cytherea Eagle: Gives Jack a twinkie
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: I'm taking all donations so buy jack twinkeys to ship to england for him
Jack Linden: please cut the abuse guys, it doesn't help
ROBO Marx: cant say something intelligent so u cursenext comes the tears
greyhat Newman: aww leave tmo out this
Ancient Shriner: HoHo's are better than twinkies
Ancient Shriner: ;-)
Tal Chernov: moonpies are the shizzle
Sarah Nerd: I'll eat my cupcake and be quiet
Cytherea Eagle: yes, I don't like cuss words...thanks Jack
Ewan Mureaux: jack we had an issue with a landbot earlier in the week and support were admant they could do nothing, could you share some light on that matter?
Jack Linden: ancient, please tell me there isn't a foodstuff called a HoHo
Ciaran Laval: Negative impact isn't quite as effective
Neptune Shelman: lol
Rem Nightfire: haha
Lias Leandros: group hug for the adfarmers
Sindy Tsure: he said abuse, not cuss words, cytherea
Ancient Shriner: Indeed there is!
ROBO Marx: Ok jack I propose i trial with new verified accounts to get a 512 and only pay 2.99 pe rmonth
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: I heard england just got Oreo's in the past few years... they dont like to dunk their oreo's in milk
Lias Leandros: now let's move on
Sarah Nerd: Insults are great, but no naughty words
Yohan Pintens: Jack, you need to get out more!
Cytherea Eagle: same thing
ROBO Marx: how about building sl memebers
Ancient Shriner: it's like a chocoloate twinkie
GnuSense Shepherd: Lias....hug me like you meant it....
Ciaran Laval: People recognise the signs...and run a mile
Lias Leandros: the big bye bye
Lias Leandros: now we can move on to new topics
GnuSense Shepherd: like Bear region?
Cytherea Eagle: ah a Zinger eh Ancient?
Lias Leandros: Mainland zoning
ROBO Marx: now i can mute all u guys again LOl
Ancient Shriner: similar . . but not tubeshapped, more cylindar
Lias Leandros: was announced in August
Sindy Tsure: jack needs to come to america and up his junk-food-IQ!!!
Talarus Luan: " So-called click-through rates--or the percentages of people responding to banner ads by clicking through to a marketer's Web page--are the standard measure of whether advertising works. But lately the metric isn't holding water. Typical click-through rates for banners are in the 0.03 percent range, down from early highs of 10 percent.
A growing number of ad industry players including the Interactive Advertising Bureau (IAB), Unicast, DoubleClick and Engage are seeking to debunk the metric of click-through rates in favor of brand-building data that mirrors research long used to justify TV, billboard and radio ad spending. "
Jack Linden: I'm in SF now Sindy actually, just for the week.
Lias Leandros: are we being thrown the carcasses of teh adfarmers so we forget about the zoning?
Talarus Luan: Just for you, Ancient
Cytherea Eagle: Jack needs a holiday after this meeting
GnuSense Shepherd: I am surprised that UK doesnt have ho-hos
Jack Linden: They make me try things like Burritos, then laugh at my typically english reaction to them
Sindy Tsure: SF doesn't count.. great place but it's a whole different world
GnuSense Shepherd: twinkies i understand, but how can you live without ho-hos
Talarus Luan: You can't get good burritos in SF!
Cytherea Eagle: lots of ho hos in SL
Ancient Shriner: yah, for every article you can find that says that Tal, I can find you one that says the reverse . . .
Sarah Nerd: Sorry for the arguments, all I really wanted to say here was Thank You for listeningto us Jack, and thank you for taking the stand the community as a large has been asking for.
Talarus Luan: Jeez.. no wonder you're reacting badly to them
Sarah Nerd: It's very much appreciated
Qie Niangao: Lias, there's no new sims to zone for auction, and no sign of that changing any time soon.
Tal Chernov: well better than claiming american indian rights in sl...
GnuSense Shepherd: Yes, Thank you Jack
Jack Linden: Thanks Sarah. It's going to be an exciting few months. :)
Lias Leandros: zone for auction?
Ancient Shriner: Three Cheers for Jack!
Talarus Luan: Hopefully, weeks, Jack. Weeks. :)
Qie Niangao: new sims going to auction... to be zoned
Dytska Vieria: Jack, it looks like land prices have gone down more.
Lias Leandros: mainland zoning has nothing to do with only new regions since they decided to make mainland zoning effect adfarmers on old mainland also
Talarus Luan: Yeah, how are the averages doing?
Jack Linden: Qie.. yeah, when we zone we will sell through auctions.
Neptune Shelman: Yes thanks Jack
Sindy Tsure: it'll be interesting to see what mainland prices do after october 1st..
Rem Nightfire: check out clement street jack lots of good restaurants there
Jack Linden: Dytska.. it's holding at around L$5.9
Sindy Tsure waves hi to lectra
Jack Linden: it's been remarkably steady for weeks now
Yohan Pintens: how about volume Jack?
Sarah Nerd: Bottom line is dropping a bit
Lectra Forte waves to Sindy
Ewan Mureaux: the extremes are getting wider apart though at the low end
Tal Chernov: so when will residents be allowed to auction off their land instead of LL being only one allowed to do so
Chaos Mohr: Jack, where can we see the metrics that you use regarding land sales?
Jack Linden: the odd day it has risen to L$6.4 but rarely lower than L$5.8
Sarah Nerd: I bet when ad lots can't go for crazy prices you'll see a drop in mainland average prices
Jack Linden: volume is steady too, between 800k meters per day (a little less for estates)
Jack Linden: and about 920k
Yohan Pintens: interesting, that means my customers account for just over 20% of the sales volume
Jack Linden: Chaos, I'm really hoping to do an open blog post that talks about how we make decisions on land re. the stats
Jack Linden: I want to try to make it clear that we don't just roll a dice, that we actually study this market fanatically. :)
Sindy Tsure: since we're low on time, any chance i can get my mainland home upgraded to a class 5, jack? no strings, no special privs, no any-of-that.. just slip LL some US$ and that's it..
Sindy Tsure: *pay to get..
Chaos Mohr: many of us follow land prices closely Jack, and I can tell you that I would be tickled pink if I could sell even a percentage of land that I have at the prices you quote for mainland sales
Jack Linden: Sindy.. all Mainland is class 5, I don't think we have any left that is class 4
Ancient Shriner: English Pounds or Euros would go further with Jack methinks Sindy
Jack Linden: we've been converting it as we go for a long while now
Sindy Tsure: really? this is news.. ty
Sindy Tsure: so.. forget the mention of money, please..
greyhat Newman: ehehhe
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: anything being done with SL Servers so we have less database errors reguarding FAILED MONEY, FAILED TELPORTS, & stuff like that
Neptune Shelman: that is good to hear jack
Jack Linden: Chaos, the problem is that at the lower end of the market obviously you see lower numbers, but we plan around the overall averages which includes the higher price transactions
Chaos Mohr: do you include all the bot purchases?
Jack Linden: they are valid transactions so yes
Talarus Luan: Bot purchases are really low-end, most of the time
Jack Linden: the volume of bot sales vs non, they aren't a huge impact
Neptune Shelman: i purchased a nice plot at 4.2l/sqm on protected roadside the other day
Jack Linden: though they do act to hold a minimum level at times
Rem Nightfire: awwww
Neptune Shelman: 6.4L/sqm would be high up the land search
Jack Linden: so before i go..
Tal Chernov: bots should be made illegal, if u cant handle ur land without them maybe you shouldnt be allowed to have land
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez if you want my pitcure ill stike a pose for ya
Sarah Nerd: no, bot abuse should be illegal
Jack Linden: a quick straw poll.. are we mostly happy with the direction we're going in?
Sindy Tsure: ye!
Sindy Tsure: *s
Rem Nightfire: YES!
Ancient Shriner: Yes!
Melodie Darwin: yes
Ewan Mureaux: yes
Sarah Nerd: I'm very happy
Joshua Philgarlic: YES!
Chaos Mohr: yes
GnuSense Shepherd: yes
Kara Spengler: sold a parcel for 7.8 in Pavonia and that was low compared to all of the other land sales I have seen there
Dytska Vieria: Yes
Talarus Luan: Conditionally, and provisionally, yes.
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: yea
Kalyrra Heart: Jack, since you are making rules to govern the mainland, how about getting rid of land bots completely
Astarte Artaud: Definitely
Filbert Holmer: yes.
Neptune Shelman: yes
Susie Chaffe: oh very definitely YES
Drongle McMahon: yes, as far as we can see.
Yohan Pintens: Jack: we've had the promise of a better mainland before and you've failed, so we'll have to see how this one pans out.
Sindy Tsure watches the votes for two names in particular..
Jack Linden: good lord, this smells scarily of progress. :)
Sarah Nerd: I love landmachine for managing my parcels
Neptune Shelman: my sea land is expensive to kara
Jack Linden: and agreed Yohan... we have to put our keyboards where our mouth is
Sarah Nerd: I had 1l sales abuse
Jack Linden: or soemthing
Filbert Holmer: As do I
Kara Spengler: Neptune: I'll bet!
Tal Chernov: yup we are all nuts no wonder i feel at home
Talarus Luan: it's a reaction to promises made.
Neptune Shelman: but the majority of inner land is low
Rem Nightfire: just dont drool on it
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: just like RL lands next to the Ocean cost more
Talarus Luan: You don't want to ask that question again if you drop the ball, or otherwise fail to follow through. :)
Jack Linden: okay i have to run, I've not eaten yet and typing. energy. getting. low.
Drongle McMahon: Jack. I would like to see hopw you calculate your "avarage" prices, since prices are not normally distributes.
Dytska Vieria: avoid the burritos
GnuSense Shepherd: thanks again Jack
Ewan Mureaux: enjoy the rest of your time in SF
Chaos Mohr: thanks for the meeting Jack, bring Maggie next time :)
Kalyrra Heart: thanks jack
Sindy Tsure: this is why you shoudl carry a twinkie with you, jack.. not like it'll ever go bad..
Yohan Pintens: Just don't bring Ethan
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Rem Nightfire: no burritos are good
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: go buy some twinky's if u ave them near u
Talarus Luan: Yus. I want to give her a knitted Dragon sweater.
Sindy Tsure: cya, jack!
Sindy Tsure: enjoy SF!
Rem Nightfire: bye jack thanks
Jack Linden: hehe i might just do that chaos. byeee
Kara Spengler: thanks Jack, we all do not envy you!
Chaos Mohr: oh and next time Jack, come early and put bears on the table - lol
GnuSense Shepherd: not sure if its these meetings that turned Jacks hair gray or not...
Joshua Philgarlic: Bye Jack
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: JACK FOR SL PRESIDENT!!!!
Rem Nightfire: remember - clement street pubs there too
Sindy Tsure: so, now that he's gone can we go back to insulting the ad farmers again?
Sarah Nerd: lol
Joshua Philgarlic: Where's Robo??
Yohan Pintens: Sindy, I'm not sure that will ever stop, Jack present or absent
GnuSense Shepherd: no
GnuSense Shepherd: :(
greyhat Newman: if sarah cant say c**t i would say prick and timo are in same sentence but ive more class than that so i stick with druiloor
Sindy Tsure: nor should it, yohan
Timo Daehlie: cytherea when you are gonna remove your toer in zap cannon ?
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: ROBO is at work on his new business
Yohan Pintens: " Jack Linden: GnuSense.. we'll consider those that are interested and that aren't currently engaged in bad advertising"
Sarah Nerd: I did think it's funny that the people who destroyed the mainland with no concern for the community, are "highly offended" by cuss words
Kara Spengler: oh, the forums have been pure entertainment at times this week!
Sarah Nerd: thats priceless
Ewan Mureaux: the correct speling is cunt
Ewan Mureaux: hhahahaha i typod spelling
Sindy Tsure: she isn't, sarah.. just grasping at whatever she can
Tal Chernov: i thought it was bitch
Sarah Nerd: Yea I know the game
Neptune Shelman: yes they have
GnuSense Shepherd: yes yohan?
Neptune Shelman: great reading
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Sarah Nerd: and thank you for all the im's saying thank you for saying what I was thinking
Sindy Tsure: add one for me too, sarah.. forgot to IM you..
Kara Spengler: heyas GnuSense
Chaos Mohr: just remember Sarah, I'm a bastard - get it right :P
Sarah Nerd: Onlything I was sorry for was there fit disrupting his meeting
GnuSense Shepherd: hi Kara
Yohan Pintens: I won't speculate what he meant by that GNU, but it does sound promising :)
Susie Chaffe: you got my support Sarah...I spend hours every day mapping new routes in SL
Sindy Tsure ties an empty beer can to talarus' tail on the way out
Sindy Tsure: cyas!
Rem Nightfire: bye folks everyone take care
Talarus Luan: O.o
Timo Daehlie: ciao rem
Talarus Luan: Hey!
Melodie Darwin: bye everyone:)
GnuSense Shepherd: bye REM
Timo Daehlie: and mel ;)
Ancient Shriner: Ciao!
Ewan Mureaux: cytherea can i make an honest proposal to you and seriously not atking the piss, if i made a genuine donation to a charity of your choice would you turn over your ad plots?
Neptune Shelman: bye
Ewan Mureaux: taking*
Cytherea Eagle: NC your proposal
Ewan Mureaux: that was it
Yohan Pintens: big party at Bear Infohub from 3PM to 9PM, everyone should show up!
GnuSense Shepherd: Yes, I certainly hope so. I have worked for over a year to try to do the best ...and to bring others into the fold. Obviously as you can see when others do not have the same respect it can be hairyh.
Ewan Mureaux: no more or less to it
Cytherea Eagle: NC it and drop it to me
Tal Chernov: you may be taken more seriously if u didnt claim the bloody american indian rights bullshit in sl. that shitmight work in rl but dont think it will fly in sl. too bad white man didnt obliterate yall when had the chance, then we wouldnt have to put up with yall shit
Yohan Pintens: Ouch Tal! Who would keep Budweiser King of Beers then?
Filbert Holmer: Don't go into that Tal...
Lias Leandros: crazed racist with an avatar
greyhat Newman: hey gnu didt see u there
Tal Chernov: germany bought budwiser
Kara Spengler: Tal: what I thought was hillarious is that she cries about her culture ..... but I did a build designed to blend a home into the landscape and her ad monstrosity drove it off
greyhat Newman: hows things
Tal Chernov: those asses only hire those that suck good cock
Filbert Holmer: The protected minority thing does not apply here.
Kara Spengler: [talk about irony]
Timo Daehlie: well .. back to extortion island .. take care all
Dytska Vieria closes her eyes, taps her heels three times and says 'there's no place like home'...
greyhat Newman: Alles is weer koek en ei
greyhat Newman: pmsl
Filbert Holmer: Extortion Island?
Lias Leandros: anyone else need negative attention? Get it while you can.
Joshua Philgarlic: I'll return to my 100% ad farmer free home now. Bye to all!
Ewan Mureaux: mainland
greyhat Newman: tosser that means
Talarus Luan: Take care, Joshua
GnuSense Shepherd: i know this is a moot point...
Ewan Mureaux: ttfn people
Yohan Pintens: I think its his broken english Filbert
Tal Chernov: i want some negative attn
GnuSense Shepherd: but Ad farmers are land cutters, not advertisers.
Lias Leandros: ok Tal
Lias Leandros: Tal behave yourself! That is outrageous!
Lias Leandros: how was that?
Talarus Luan: Well, according to the Lindens, everyone was. :)
Yohan Pintens: GNU: not sure you get to decide on definitions that suit your cause
Talarus Luan: Advertisers or no, the signs come down. :D
GnuSense Shepherd: i know...back in February...thats how it was named
Tal Chernov: thatll work ty
GnuSense Shepherd: officially
GnuSense Shepherd: just saying
Lias Leandros: Jack enjoyed this - he didnt have to do much - just sit back and watch the dogfight until 2PM
Sarah Nerd: lol
Yohan Pintens: its pretty clear what the community 'wants' and 'does not want'
GnuSense Shepherd: no no no yohan...i wasnt trying to create an argument about that... lol
GnuSense Shepherd: i am just saying...
Sarah Nerd: I've never seen so many adfarmers in the same room
GnuSense Shepherd: a farmer plants seed.
GnuSense Shepherd: in real life...
Yohan Pintens: RL doesn't apply
Sarah Nerd: It was so awesome to see how scared they all are
GnuSense Shepherd: ok then no words in RL apply lol
Lias Leandros: will teh adfarmers be coming back to thsi meeting next week?
greyhat Newman: sorry sarah
Yohan Pintens: Lias: you could bet money on it
greyhat Newman: but u qualife on your own
Lias Leandros: I'm seeing names I thought were only bots
Sarah Nerd: whatever you'd like to call them
greyhat Newman: groubds
GnuSense Shepherd: Lias, I look forward to your next newsworthy thread in the forums to garner attention to your business.
Kara Spengler: GnuSense: true, my problem is with land extortion and ad farms are just a part of it, I have no complaints with legitimate advertising (although some ppl's ad towers next to houses go over the top .... litterally)
Talarus Luan: I think AdFarmer applies when TAG members plant adtowers that appear overnight where there weren't any before.
greyhat Newman: i brought loads your badly cut stuff
Lias Leandros: at least I will have a business
Lias Leandros: so sad
Neptune Shelman: your cuss was about right sarah
Talarus Luan: I just wish you all would stick to just planting them in the cornfield instead of my backyard. :-/
GnuSense Shepherd: Lias, be careful what you wish for.
Talarus Luan: I have enough weeds as it is
GnuSense Shepherd: you just might get it.
GnuSense Shepherd: got to love Im's.....
greyhat Newman: let me out this chair
greyhat Newman: heheheh
GnuSense Shepherd: Lias just sent me an IM to "burn".....how nice......
GnuSense Shepherd: see ya on the otherside.
Talarus Luan: Ciao, General. :)
Tal Chernov: i farted and now my ass is stuck to the leather
Yohan Pintens: I'm sure thats not the worst IM you've gotten
greyhat Newman: ah man that stinks
Tal Chernov: hehe
greyhat Newman: pehw
Lias Leandros: in America 'burn' does not mean 'to burn' . It means you said something to me and I responded and topped what you said.
ThaBiGGDoGG Richez: bye
Lias Leandros: bye
Sarah Nerd: Thanks Nep
Sarah Nerd: Funny how the person so concerned with descrimination uses the fact that I'm fat as her choice of insult.
Yohan Pintens: consider the source
Filbert Holmer: That sort of thing happens a lot.
Sarah Nerd: Yea
Tal Chernov: hey fat girls are sexy
Tal Chernov: more to love
Kara Spengler: Sarah: but you are not in the republic of Lakota so she is immune to attacking you :)
Neptune Shelman: yes well hopefully it earned her no chance of being licensed
Sarah Nerd: lol
Yohan Pintens: I can't much imagine any of them being granted licenses after their past actions
Tal Chernov: i want a lisense just to have one
Neptune Shelman: the advertisers i don't mind
Filbert Holmer: Have Licence specifics been released yet?
Tal Chernov: will be one less an adfarmer can get hehe
Neptune Shelman: its the robbers i can't stand
Talarus Luan: I dunno. I smell a disaster in the License department
Kara Spengler: Tal: and if we need to have actual ads I am sure we all have a club or whatever we would not mind giving free publicity too
Talarus Luan: Especially since it is basically "OK. Here's your license, TAG. Feel free to get back to doing what you were before."
Tal Chernov: i used to have an ad board on my parcel that was 1L ads i should put it out again
Yohan Pintens: Filbert: not yet they have not
Sarah Nerd: I'll apply for one. I want to see how the process will work
Yohan Pintens: He said before Oct 1
Tal Chernov: who wantsd a freebie tippic online staus thingy
Talarus Luan: Oh well.. I guess we will wait for the next blob post
Neptune Shelman: Does anyone know if you can advertise on your own shops
Tal Chernov: am surprised dumbdumb wasnt here
Tal Chernov: i bought ad boards for that lol
Sarah Nerd: which one? I saw lots
Yohan Pintens: Neptune: I think he clarified that would not be a problem
Filbert Holmer: Yea, we don't have much to work with just yet.
Neptune Shelman: I mean externally
Talarus Luan: Advertising your own shops AT your shops is fine
Neptune Shelman: no tinside
Talarus Luan: Advertising your shops nowhere near your shops (and out in the open) is not.
Lias Leandros: but ROBO wanted jack to say a 'shop' can be a 16 meter plot
Tal Chernov: i just have ad thingy from M&S
Sarah Nerd: He's just looking for his lopp hole
Lias Leandros: yes
Talarus Luan: Robo and Cytherea are looking for ddoges
Talarus Luan: *dodges
Tal Chernov: i wanna meet someof the cocksnots at a convention hehe
Lias Leandros: he was at the governance meeting this morning trying to get then to say it for him
Sarah Nerd: I hope he *thinks* he finds one and he goes hog wild with it so he gets a boot
Neptune Shelman: i mean on the external wall
Neptune Shelman: not ads for my shops
Lias Leandros: I think the adfarmers are teh people that sell items to little old ladies over the phone
Tal Chernov: i may endup in jail for it but ima slap someone at a convention
Sarah Nerd: Were you at the SLCC?
Neptune Shelman: but if they get good traffic for others shops
Tal Chernov: i really wanna slap amber linden lol
Lias Leandros: no advertising is needed in this world - all of it could be banned with no problem
Tal Chernov: no iwanna go next year
Lias Leandros: the Lindens only said 'license' so they wont alientate their business buddies
Sarah Nerd: You'll be having way to much fun with us fatties to think about being angry
Tal Chernov: sad we are from same state
Tal Chernov: ebil tiny empires always fucks up on me
Kara Spengler: did anyone read the blog robo did about getting ARed for ban lines? :)
Neptune Shelman: I am sure they would do worse than that given the chance Lias
Tal Chernov: i heard about that in a notecard
Lias Leandros: I am prepared tp buy this license or do whatever I have to do to get one just to undermine the adfarmers
Lias Leandros: hopefully many of the landbarons will also
Sarah Nerd: I can barely handle his one liners, not sure I could handle a whole paragraph.
Lias Leandros: Anshe likes the idea
Tal Chernov: i dont think people should be allowed to dominate in a place like this as anshe does, but what do i know amjust a fuzzy bear
Lias Leandros: Anshe is the early Bird
Neptune Shelman: If robo ever gets a license then the Lindens have fucked up
Yohan Pintens: that will make you forgive her Tal
Lias Leandros: his alt can get one
Yohan Pintens: the humor alone :)
Sarah Nerd: Even if he does, he'll fuck it up quickly and get in trouble
Lias Leandros: but I think if they fuck up the lindens should seize their ad plots
Neptune Shelman: not if the lindens use their common sense
Yohan Pintens: the license is not a license to do 'anything'
Lias Leandros: if they dont they will just get alts and start again
Sarah Nerd: well they will lose all of there holdings in the process so they get a sting even if they come back as an alt
Lias Leandros: exactly
Neptune Shelman: no because ll can see all of his details like they can mine
Tal Chernov: ok thats a new world of anshe i didnt know about . kinda spooky that one
Neptune Shelman: whats he going to do move house
Lias Leandros: well I do believe the new definition of advertising on the mainland will in no way look like what it does now
Lias Leandros: I have a feeling that thier 16M plots will soon be useless
Kara Spengler: and get a new computer and use a new isp and credit card :)
Neptune Shelman: should be much better
Neptune Shelman: :-)